Pricing VLM vs HWE

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  1. clean_freak

    clean_freak FatCat Member

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    Hey FatCats,

    I have a commercial job coming up this weekend, it's over 5k sq feet and was going to do the whole thing HWE. After looking at the pics of most of the hallways and offices, it's not really in need of HWE everywhere so my new plan is to encap the long big open spaces with a brush pro and only do HWE in the areas that need it. The job is already quoted out and set but in the future, is there a different pricing guideline for VLM than for HWE? I quoted this particular job at 0.18 cents a square.
     
  2. rob foster

    rob foster FatCat Noob

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    Do both. Encap the not so dirty stuff and hwe the traffic areas. Same price.
     
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  3. Jay

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    Someone once said something life changing for me about commercial cleaning, "we are in the appearance business and not the cleaning business" Ever since then I think to myself, how can I get this carpet to look the best rather then be the cleanest. Im sure some will disagree. So for small commercial like 5K I just price it the same.

    Anyway, I would encap it all, and see how it looks first before I HWE it. After doing a machine shop with encap and it looking 100% better then my 12 prior attempts with HWE, I am sticking to all encap now.

    Worst case, you just reclean the area with HWE.
     
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    clean_freak FatCat Member

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    Thanks, I'll probably do just that and keep my portable handy just in case. Gonna use a 20" brush pro for the encap portion. I want to gear all of my marketing efforts towards commercial. Don't really like residential that much. (Unless it's empty)
     
  5. Martin Sanchez

    Martin Sanchez Syndicated FatCat Entreprenuer

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    does your client know about this???
     
  6. clean_freak

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    Nope, all he's gonna see is the end product
     
  7. clean_freak

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    Ended up using HWE for the whole building. Took twice the time but it really turned out great.
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    Tom Ingram FatCat Entrepreneur

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    The end result looks really good. So why did you do hwe instead of the Brushpro?
     
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    Well Tom the brush pro, even with the Encap O2 spray we used only made the carpets worse because of how badly soiled they were. I came through with my Rotovac and went over it just for kicks and ended up feeling so bad that I did the whole office with the Rotovac. The brush pro seemed to work real good upstairs in the offices though but it was also thicker and darker carpet.

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  10. Joseph Rogers

    Joseph Rogers Syndicated FatCat Entreprenuer

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    BrushPro doesn't have the weight you need for a good encap. Try a 'Mex or an OP with beige pads from Excellent Supply.
     
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    Hi Joseph...
     
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    Joseph Rogers Syndicated FatCat Entreprenuer

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    ?
     
  13. Stephen Meyer

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    I would have pad capped this. Too much soil to just straight encapp. Would have tuned out beautiful with hot knife extreem, grease hog, and an op machine with microfiber pads. Pad capping will eat oily soils fast.

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  14. Stephen Meyer

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    I really dont like straight encapping. Jmo but i like knowing that im extracting the soils.
     
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    That work looks really nice. You did that with just pads? I'll have to get with you and learn your process real soon, if you don't mind sharing it that is..
     
  16. Stephen Meyer

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    This is the common suprised response I get out of carpet cleaners. Most who try vlm [padcapping] give up after 1 or 2 trys. VLM has a learning curve, BUT, once you get past it and learn how to handle the different soil situations out there you can accomplish awsomeness.

    Process Used for job in pic
    -Vacuum
    -Prespray (used grease hawg)
    -Prescrub with damp microfiber with scrub strips (orbot)
    -Extract with dry microfiber pads no scrub strip (orbot)
    -Fans
    -Post vac
     
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    When using your Orbot, do you go over the same spot/line more than once or is it a single pass when extracting? I think I'm gonna rent one of those orbots and try it at my next commercial job.
     
  18. Stephen Meyer

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    Yes... to both questions. every situation is different.
     
  19. keepitclean

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    I totally agree. Alot of people will say that encapping is meant and designed for cgd only.......I agree, if you are just encapping, but padcapping is a totally different beast........The only similarities are the use of an encap. I do alot of apts, and for the most part, pad all of them with great success.......Well, either padding, or dry compound........both are equally great imo.....
     
  20. Steve Toburen

    Steve Toburen FatCat Entrepreneur

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    Totally agree with this concept... most of the time.

    Steve

    PS The key to any pricing is to first know your Production Rate Per Hour with each type of carpet/ soiling/ floor layout and method of cleaning. Since many of our SFS attendees didn't have a clue I developed a Commercial Production/ Pricing Analysis log for them. Download the P/P/A Log for free HERE.
     
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